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Saturday, May 21, 2011

Harold Family Radio


In 1961, Family Radio began the Open Forum program, a live weeknight call-in program that Camping hosts. Listeners call in primarily with questions about the meaning of certain passages from the Bible, and Camping answers them by means of interpretations, often with reference to other Biblical passages. Occasionally the questions pertain to general Christian doctrine, such as the nature of sin and salvation, and to matters of everyday life conduct, such as marriage, sexual morality, and education. This program has continued to the present time and is broadcast on the more than 150 stations owned by Family Radio in the United States. The Open Forum is also translated into many foreign languages and together with other Family Radio programming is broadcast worldwide via shortwave station WYFR, a network of AM and FM radio stations, a cable television station, and the Internet.
Family Radio runs various programs on its radio stations. Programs that do not conform to Camping's understanding of the Biblical principle of comparing scripture with scripture (1 Corinthians 2:13) are normally removed from programming upon discovery. Before Camping started teaching that the "Church Age" had ended, programs produced outside of Family Radio were welcome provided they did not accept any "extra-Biblical revelation", and were associated with teachings accepted by the historic Christian faith. Now Camping refuses any ministry associated with the organized church. These programs can be heard by radio, satellite, television, short wave and Internet broadcasts.
His organization also utilizes numerous low-power television signals, for example WFME-TV digital television channel 66 in the New York City area. As of April, 2009, that transmitter has been configured to send out ten separate subchannels, with the first (66-1) carrying the main video at a low quality 480i, the second and third (66-2 and 66-3) sending out a blank video image and, respectively, carrying the audio of "Family Radio East" and "Family Radio West". The other seven have no video and are a mix of different audio content, mostly of a religious nature, and NOAA Weather Radio on 66-9.

Controversies of Harold Camping


Camping's Biblical study regarding time and Christ's second coming is based on the cycles of:
Jewish feast days in the Hebrew calendar, as described in the Old Testament,
the lunar month calendar (1 synodic month = 29.53059 days), and
A close approximation of the Gregorian calendar tropical year (365.24219 days, rounded to 365.2422 ).
He projects these into modern times and combines the results with other information in the Bible.
Camping calculates date of the crucifixion of Christ as Friday April 1, AD 33. Not all commentators agree with that date. Hoehner argues for April 3, 33 A.D. Other students of the subject have placed the event in AD 29, 30, or 31.
Camping further calculates that the Rapture is 722,500 days after the crucifixion of Christ.From April 1 to May 21 is 51 days. Additionally, multiplying using the same math Camping uses returns an approximation of the remaining days. Using his date of April 1, AD 33, a total of 1978 years multiplied by 365.2425 days/year (Gregorian calendar) results in 722,449.66 days. Multiplying by 365.2422 (tropical year, seven significant digits) results in 722,449.07 days. Multiplying by 365.24219 (tropical year, eight significant digits) results in 722,449.05 days. If one accounts for leap seconds, each year is slightly longer than the previous. Since 1972 to 2011, the earth rotates 24 seconds slower. This is a difference of 0.000278 day over 39 years, for an average of only 0.000007 day per year.
In 1992, Camping published a book titled 1994?, in which he proclaimed that Christ's return might be on September 6, 1994. In that publication, he also mentioned that 2011 could be the end of the world. Camping's predictions use 1988 as a significant year in the events preceding the apocalypse; this was also the year he left Alameda Bible Fellowship. As a result, some individuals have criticized him for "date-setting. Camping's latest publications, We are Almost There! and To God be The Glory, refer to additional Biblical evidence which, in his opinion and that of others mentioned by him, pointed to May 21, 2011 as the date for the Rapture and October 21, 2011 as the date for the end of the world.
In an article "Is Harold Camping and Family Radio a Cult?", the evangelical Got Questions Ministries opposed Camping's teachings because they believe his entire method of Bible interpretation is flawed:
"Harold Camping employs an allegorical method of interpreting Scripture. Because of this method, the meaning of any Scripture passage is purely subjective, subject to the mind and imagination of the person. … Camping's use of an allegorical method of interpretation for Scripture, and especially for unfulfilled prophecy, is fatally flawed. It undermines the very nature of communication. God gave us His Word to communicate very specific information.

Silent as Judgment Day hours tick


Harold family Radio, the Christian stations network headed by Harold Camping which had spread his message of an approaching doomsday, was on Saturday playing recorded church music and devotional messages unrelated to the apocalypse.

Camping previously made a failed prediction Jesus Christ would return to Earth in 1994.

In his latest pronouncement, he had said doomsday would begin in Asia, but with midnight local time come and gone in Tokyo and Beijing and those cities already in the early hours of May 22, there was no sign of the apocalypse.

The Oakland, California, headquarters of the network of 66 U.S. stations, which has international affiliates and had posted billboards around the country warning of a May 21 Judgment Day, were shuttered with a sign in the door that read "This Office is Closed. Sorry we missed you!"

The headquarters, which appears to be normally closed on Saturday, was also shuttered on Friday.

"If it will be"
It was a sunny day in downtown Ferndale when I was first introduced to Family Radio by a rather conspicuous mobile billboard with a rather casual message: "Save the date, May, 21, 2011, Judgment Day." It was the largest invite I had ever received and I did not plan on attending – I had to work.

And I know what you are thinking because I am thinking it, too — why Saturday? Why not Monday morning or Tuesday afternoon, or even Sunday morning when I will want the world to end anyway because of my massive hangover. But according to Bible scholar Harold Camping, Judgment Day waits for no one.

Camping, 89, is the president of the nonprofit Christian religious radio network Family Radio, based in Oakland, CA. He is responsible for discovering – and being very vocal, if I may add — about a theory extrapolated from the Bible that the rapture will take place May 21, 2011.

The rapture is a Christian belief that the faithful will be carried into the air to meet with Christ as the end of the world unfolds.

"That is a very, very serious admonition 'cause that is the nature of the believer," said Gunther Von Harringa, 59, about the thought-provoking advertisements. "God tells us to do it."

The need to spread the word to the masses through a media campaign of fliers, billboards and even motorcade is fueled by the belief that if you know of impending doom and you do not warn others, you are just as responsible for their ill fate.

Ohio-based Harringa is the international director of Bible Ministries and a big follower of Camping's theory. This is the second end of the world prediction for Camping – he also predicted the end of the world in 1994 – but maybe the second time's a charm.

"I would not say it is his belief," Harringa said. "It is more like what the Bible says and what it says he(God) will do.

Indian foods

Indian cuisine is the general name for foods of the Indian subcontinent, characterized by the extensive use of various spices, herbs, and other vegetables, and sometimes fruits grown in India and also for the widespread practice of vegetarianism in Indian society. Each family of Indian cuisine includes a wide assortment of dishes and cooking techniques. As a consequence, it varies from region to region, reflecting the varied demographics of the ethnically-diverse subcontinent.

Hindu beliefs and culture have played an influential role in the evolution of Indian cuisine.However, cuisine across India also evolved as a result of the subcontinent's large-scale cultural interactions with Mongols and Britain making it a unique blend of some various cuisines. The spice trade between India and Europe is often cited as the main catalyst for Europe's Age of Discovery. The colonial period introduced European cooking styles to India, adding to the flexibility and diversity of Indian cuisine. Indian cuisine has influenced cuisines across the world, especially those from Southeast Asia and the Caribbean.


Sea food plays a major role in the cuisines of Andaman & Nicobar, Bengal and Tamil Nadu. The Andaman & Nicobar Islands were, and still are inhabited by indigenous tribes. Since they had very little contact with the outside world, raw fish and fruits were their staple diet for a long time. However, as many people from other regions of India came and settled here, different types of food and their methods to cook came with them, and this did cast an influence on the eating habits of the people of Andaman and Nicobar. Because the population is mainly derived from migrants from regions of India, many cuisines of India can be found in the islands.


Chattisgarh has many cuisines not found in the rest of India, while the staple diet, like much of the rest of India is rice. Many Chattisgarhi people consume liquor brewed from the Mahuwa flower. The tribal peoples of Bastar region of Chhattisgarh eat whatever is available, choosing food which would not be eaten by people of other states and regions. Red ant chutney is a favorite dish. Flying ants, mushrooms, squirrels, and rats are some of their choicest delicacies. As well as these unorthodox dishes, fish and pork constitute a large part of Chhatisgarhi cuisine. Pork forms a major item in their diet and almost every major ceremony starts with the sacrifice of a pig.


Daman and Diu is a union territory of India which, like Goa was a former colonial possession of Portugal. Consequently, both the native Gujarati food and traditional Portugese food is available. Because the neighbouring state Gujarat has prohibited alcohol, dining and wining is the most popular pleasure in the territory, with almost all popular brands of foreign liquor being available due to the visits of people from the state to consume the alcohol.

Dishing out a delicious variety of seafood with ample mix-up of coconut is the specialty of Lakshadweep Cuisines. From spicy non-vegetarian stuffs to healthy vegetarian delicacies, the island is ready with every possible kind of mouth-watering dish. The culinary influence of Kerala is quite evident in the cuisines of Lakshadweep. Since the island has a close proximity with Kerala, hence the cuisines reflect the taste of the inhabitants of that place. The local food of Lakshadweep primarily comprises coconut and sea fish. The people of the island have a great inclination towards the coconut water as it is the most abundant aerated drink of the place. 

As a tourist destination, Lakshadweep is one of the most-visited spots of India. People from all over the world come to this island to explore the unexplored coral reefs, the virgin forests and the surrounding serenity. In order to cater to the needs of the tourists the governing authority of Lakshadweep, along with several private bodies have established quite a number of restaurants and eatery joints. Apart from specializing in local food, these restaurants also serve a series of inter-continental dishes. 

From Chinese and Thai to Indian and Korean, the eatery corners of Lakshadweep provide a lip-smacking array of delectables to those who wish to have a taste of global cuisine. Apart from multi-cuisine eatery zones, one can also get the original taste of Lakshadweep during major festivals when the people of the island prepare special dishes in their own home. Almost all the dishes have a touch of coconut since it is an integral ingredient of Lakshadweep cuisines.


Punjabi cuisine can be non-vegetarian or completely vegetarian. One of the main features of Punjabi cuisine is its diverse range of dishes. Home cooked and restaurant Punjabi cuisine can vary significantly, with restaurant style using large amounts of clarified butter, known locally as ghee, with liberal amounts of butter and cream with home cooked concentrating on mainly upon preparations with Whole Wheat, Rice and other ingredients flavored with masalas (spices). 

Roh Di Kheer, is cooked using rice. Rice is cooked for a long time in sugar cane juice.Within the area itself, there are different preferences. People in the area of Amritsar prefer stuffed parathas and milk products. In fact, the area is well known for quality of its milk products.There are certain dishes which are exclusive to Punjab, such as Mah Di Dal and Saron Da Saag (Sarson Ka Saag).The food is tailor-made for the Punjabi lifestyle in which most of the rural folk burn up a lot of calories while working in the fields. The main masala in a Punjabi dish consists of onion, garlic and ginger. Tandoori food is a Punjabi speciality especially for non-veg dishes. Many of the most popular elements of Anglo-Indian cuisine – such as Tandoor, Naan, Pakoras and vegetable dishes with paneer – derive from the Punjab.

Indian foods in Australia

Gharana Indian and Pakistani Restaurant Gluten-Free, Halal, Indian, Pakistani, Seafood, Vegetarian
A Touch of India Indian
Aashiana Gluten-Free, Indian, Vegetarian
Chimes Indian
Satguru's Indian Fast Food Indian, Pizza
Zaika Indian
India Gate Indian
Maharani Indian Restaurant Indian
Deepam Indian
Ganesh Indian Restaurant Indian, Vegetarian
The Saffron House Indian
Hot Gossip Tandoori Indian Restaurant Indian
Bollywood on the Park Indian
Indian Palace Indian
Bismi Halal, Indian, Malaysian, Singaporean
Malabar Hut Asian, Halal, Indian, Vegetarian
Kake Di Hatti Indian
Singh's Indian Restaurant Indian
Namaste Halal, Indian, Nepalese, Vegan
Curry Curry Indian Restaurant Indian
Tandoori Den Camberwell Indian
Balti Indian Cafe Restaurant Indian
Carlton Curry House Indian
Namaskar India Indian, Malaysian, Vegetarian
Tina's Aamantran Indian
Indya Bistro Indian
Spicy Dragon Chinese, Indian
Kantipur Restaurant Indian, Nepalese
Bombay by Night Indian
Cinnamon Club Indian Brasserie Indian
Krishna Indian Restaurant Indian
Jaipur Curry Club Indian
Lazzat Kadah Indian
Nila Indian, Malaysian, Singaporean
Saleem Indian Restaurant Indian
Indian Tukka Indian
Punjabi Curry House Indian
Kurinji Halal, Indian, Malaysian, Singaporean
Punjabi Curry Cafe 2 Indian
Tandoori Hut Indian
Bikaner Sweet & Curry Cafe Indian, Patisserie
Punjab Sweet Centre & Indian Takeaway Indian
Bhoj Docklands Indian
Funky Curry 4 Asian, Indian
Shiraaz, Docklands Indian
Ragam Indian Restaurant Gluten-Free, Indian
Haveli Indian
Taj Agra Indian
Tantra Indian Restaurant Indian
Two Fat Indians Indian
MISHT Indian Cuisine Indian, Vegetarian
Ginger Garlic Indian
Curry Leaf Cafe Indian
Tandoori Point Indian, Vegetarian
Ameer Tandoori Restaurant Indian
The Lion of India Asian, Halal, Indian
Everest Indian
Basera Indian Restaurant Indian
Shiraaz Indian Restaurant Indian
Aaahaar Indian Brasserie Indian
Bangla Sweets & Curry Cafe Indian
Fitz Curry Cafe Indian
Fitzroy Curry House Indian
Tandoori Times Fitzroy Indian
Indi Hots Indian
Lentil As Anything Burger, Indian, International, Vegan, Vegetarian
Taj Palace Indian
Aangan Indian Restaurant Indian, Vegetarian
Krishna Pait Pooga Indian Restaurant Indian
Mumbai Hakka Chinese, Indian
Salaam Namaste Dosa Hut Indian
The Spice Club Indian Brasserie Indian
Bala Da Dhaba Indian
Chennai Banana Leaf Indian
Cafe Spice Indian
Mehek Indian Restaurant Indian
Madras Banyan Tree Halal, Indian
Roti Boti Indian
Thomas Street Grocery Breakfast, Cafe, Indian
Gujarati Rasoi Indian, Vegetarian
The Bombay Beat Indian
Maharaja Tandoori Cusine Indian
Mint Leaf Indian Restaurant Indian
Coconut Lagoon Indian Restaurant Indian
Cafe Saffron Indian
The Host Buffet, Indian
Milan @ Kew Indian Restaurant Indian
Tandoori Flames Indian
Royal Time Indian, Nepalese
Funky Curry 5 Asian, Indian
Moti Mahal Indian
Namaskar India Indian, Malaysian, Vegetarian
Indian Harvest Indian
Tandoori Cottage Indian
Bismi's Gold an Fork Halal, Indian, Malaysian, Singaporean
Chilli Express India Indian
Crossways Indian, Vegan, Vegetarian
Curry Vault Indian Restaurant & Bar Halal, Indian, Pakistani
Empress of India Asian, Halal, Indian
Flora Indian Restaurant & Cafe Indian
Funky Curry 1 Asian, Indian
Funky Curry 2 Asian, Indian
Gaylord Indian Restaurant Indian
Gopal's Vegetarian Restaurant Indian, Vegan, Vegetarian
Green Pepper Indian
Indian Gourmet Curry Hut Indian
Jaipur Curry Bar Indian
Namaste on King Indian Restaurant Gluten-Free, Halal, Indian
Nila Indian, Malaysian, Singaporean
Nirankar Indian Restaurant Indian
Om Vegetarian Indian, International, Vegan, Vegetarian
Red Pepper Indian
Shiraaz, CBD Indian
Spice Kitchen Buffet, Indian
Marpha Indian Cuisine Indian, Nepalese
The Roti Man Gluten-Free, Indian, Malaysian
Indian Star Indian
Shagun Indian, Vegetarian
Delhi Moguls Indian, Vegetarian
Arya Indian Restaurant Indian, International, Vegetarian
Curry Cafe Indian, Modern Australian
Punjabi Masala Indian Restaurant Indian
Bombay Club Indian
Shavan's Tandoori Indian Restaurant Indian
India House Restaurant Indian, Vegetarian
Shiva Indian Cuisine Halal, Indian, Vegetarian
The Tandoor Indian Restaurant Indian
Ganaeshaa Villas Indian
Maharaja Tandoori Cuisine Indian
Claypit Indian Cuisine Indian
Cochin Durbar Indian
Curry Club Cafe Gluten-Free, Halal, Indian, Vegetarian
Curry King Indian
Daawat Indian
Fuzion Indian Restaurant Indian
Gurkhas Cafe Indian, Nepalese
Jai Ho Indian Restaurant Indian, Vegetarian
Nirvana Vegetarian Cafe Indian, Vegan, Vegetarian
Bala Da Dhaba Indian
Bedi's Indian Restaurant Indian, Pakistani
Funky Curry 3 Asian, Indian
Indian Mirchi Indian
Spirit of India Indian
The Bengal Tiger Indian
Cafe Saffron Indian
Chapelli's Cafe, Indian, International, Italian
Little India Indian, Vegetarian
Melba Restaurant Asian, Indian, International
The Masala House Indian, Vegetarian
Bala's Cafe Asian, Indian, Thai
Lentil As Anything Asian, Indian, Organic, Vegan
Tandoori Times St kilda Indian
The Cage Indian, Italian, Pakistani, Tapas
Eat & Love Cafe and Restaurant Indian
New Delhi Tandoori Indian Restaurant Indian
Saffron Cottage Indian
Bhoj Templestowe Indian, Vegetarian
Rajbhog Indian Restaurant Indian
Khazana Indian Restaurant Indian
Indian Affair Dairy-Free, Gluten-Free, Indian, Vegan, Vegetarian
Curry Charmers Indian
Bikanos Sweet and Curry Cafe Shop Cafe, Indian
Kathmandu Cottage Indian, Nepalese
Le Taj Brasserie Indian
Paradise Indian Restaurant Indian
Sangam Tandoori Indian Restaurant Halal, Indian
My Restaurant Indian, Malaysian, Singaporean
Tandoori Times Yarraville Indian

Christian movement preparing for End of Days

Joseph, Faith and Grace Haddad appear like any other American teenagers - except for the fact their parents Robert and Abby believe the world is about to end.
Two years ago their father Robert and mother Abby gave up their regular jobs to preach for the Family Radio church at the centre of the May 21 Judgment Day campaign.
In a last ditch effort to spread the word before the Armageddon that they believe will happen today at 6pm local time wherever you live, Robert and Abby took their children to a New York street fair.

Jerry Jenkins, co-author with Tim LaHaye of the 'Left Behind' series of apocalyptic novels that have sold millions of copies worldwide, is among those who has a problem with the prediction.
'As a believer, I'm already a kook compared to most people, so for someone to choose a date and get everyone excited about a certain time, my problem is it makes us look worse,' said Jenkins, 61.
But the very industry in which Jenkins' books are aimed and sold are part of the problem according to Barbara Rossing, professor of the New Testament at the Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago.
She describes a huge apocalyptic 'prophecy industry' that includes video games, board games and books, and says: 'It is very appealing to people.'

Indeed, according to its tax returns Family Radio, a non-profit organisation, has raised more than $100m over the last seven years. It owns 66 radio stations worldwide and a recent spike in activity has seen it lavish millions on its international billboard advertising campaign.
When asked what the church was going to do with the money when the world ended, Camping told Contra Costa Times; 'When Judgment Day comes, if someone is a billionaire, how will they take their money with them?
'If we have any money left, and we will because we have to pay bills up to the very end... it will all be destroyed because the world will be in a day of judgment.
'The money is not important at all. It's a vehicle to spread the judgment and a vehicle of the Lord.'
But as the true believers prepare for what they hope will be their last day on earth, many atheists are having fun with the anticlimax they anticipate.
In Tacoma, Washington, atheists have organized a party for Saturday night under the banner 'countdown to backpedaling', on the assumption that Camping and Family Radio will change their story if Judgment Day does not come.
At least 100 people are expected at the party, said Sam Mulvey, 33, an organizer of the event and the producer of a weekly atheist radio show in Tacoma.
'If the world still exists the next day, Family Radio is going to have to say something and most of the time they backpedal, and that's what we're counting down to,' he said.
Other atheists have taken a more practical approach to the 'rapture' by turning the 'prophecy industry' on itself to make money.
In New Hampshire, Bart Centre started his company Eternal Earth-bound Pets in 2009.
He offers rapture believers an insurance plan for those pets that won't join them in heaven: 10-year pet care contracts, with Centre and his network of fellow non-believers taking responsibility for the animals after the Rapture.
The fee - payable in advance, of course - was originally $110, but has risen to $135 since Camping's prediction. He has 258 clients.
But for some people the rapture is no laughing matter. In Harrison, New Jersey, reformed raver John Ramsey, 25, has given up his job to spread the word with his wife, Marcia Paladines.
Marcia, featured in the video below, is pregnant. Her due date is May 27.
'God is in control. I have prayed for mercy on my baby,' a crying Paladines told The Huffington Post.
'But I don't know what's going to happen. If I'm here May 21, then I will suffer the consequences of the wrath of God. I know like anybody else I'll deserve it because none of us are perfect.'

An independent California preacher who predicts Judgment Day will arrive Saturday has amassed a global following. He believes it will likely start as it become 6 p.m. in the world's various time zones.
Eighty-nine-year-old Harold Camping has built a nonprofit ministry based around his apocalyptic prophesy.
The retired engineer will be awaiting Jesus Christ's return for the second time. Camping says his earlier apocalyptic prediction in 1994 didn't come true because of a mathematical error.
Skeptics are throwing Rapture-themed parties to celebrate what hosts expect will be the failure of Camping's prophesy.

New method to 'confirms dark energy

Distribution of galaxies and the time it takes for galactic clusters to form are behind a University of Queensland claim confirming the existence of dark energy.

Dark energy has been predicted as a defender of Einsteinian models of the universe, ever since the 1990s when astrophysicists identified the accelerating expansion of the universe.


Since the “inflationary universe” didn’t fit with Einstein’s predictions, either Einstein was wrong, or a new form of energy was required.

The great physicist had once recast his equations to include a similar idea, but wasn’t comfortable with the solution and later called it his “greatest blunder.

cientists used two separate kinds of observation to provide an independent check on previous dark energy results.

Two papers by an international team of researchers have been accepted for publication in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society journal.

One type of observation used by the astronomers involves measuring a pattern in how galaxies are distributed in space. This pattern is known by the term "baryon acoustic oscillations".

The second type of observation involves measuring how quickly clusters of galaxies have formed over time. Both of these techniques confirmed the existence of dark energy and the acceleration in the expansion of the Universe.

The concept of dark energy was first invoked in the late 1990s by studying the brightness of distant supernovas - exploding stars.

Einstein was right
To explain why the expansion of the Universe was speeding up, astronomers had to either rewrite Albert Einstein's theory of gravity or accept that the cosmos was filled with a novel type of energy.

"The action of dark energy is as if you threw a ball up in the air, and it kept speeding upward into the sky faster and faster," said co-author Dr Chris Blake of the Swinburne University of Technology in Melbourne, Australia.

"The results tell us that dark energy is a cosmological constant, as Einstein proposed. If gravity were the culprit, then we wouldn't be seeing these constant effects of dark energy throughout time.

The survey mapped the distribution of galaxies in an unprecedented volume of the Universe, looking eight billion years back in time - more than half the age of the Universe.

Cosmologist Bob Nicholl, who was not involved with the research, told BBC News: "This is a major step forward. These guys are serious, major scientists and we've been waiting for this result for some time.

The professor of astrophysics at Portsmouth University, UK, added: "It's re-confirmation of dark energy, it gives us another data point to fit our theories around and it shows us the way to the future. More astronomers are going to be doing this in years to come."

While dark energy makes up about 74% of the Universe, dark matter - which does not reflect or emit detectable light - accounts for 22%. Ordinary matter - gas, stars, planets and galaxies - makes up just 4% of the cosmos.

However, despite scientists being able to infer the existence of dark energy and dark matter, these phenomena still elude a full explanation.

Shell's big boat justifies the announcement

Prelude platform will be the world's largest floating facility – longer than four football fields and weighing six times as much as the biggest aircraft carrier.
It will be constructed in a shipyard in South Korea with the equipment to convert gas into a liquid in the middle of the ocean, ready for shipment to the Asian consumer.
Liquefied natural gas (LNG) has transformed the world's energy markets, as it was previously only transportable by pipeline. The new mobility and availability of gas has seen Asian countries take more of an interest in the fuel.
Shell, Europe's biggest energy company, is making a big push to increase its gas production relative to oil production over the next few years.

According to commonwealth data, there is 160 trillion cubic feet of so-called stranded gas, that is, gas that cannot be economically recovered by conventional technologies. Prelude accounts for about 3tcf of that potential. The controversial Sunrise gas project in the Timor Sea is of a similar, though slightly smaller, size.

Shell is, of course, a partner in Sunrise, which is operated by Woodside. And that JV wants to use the Shell FLNG technology to translate that resource to wealth.

Shell's Brinded is so confident in his technology that he reckons on delivering FID on several new FLNG projects between now and when Prelude enters production around 2016. If Timor's objections to the current plan can be overcome, Sunrise would be an early contender for the next nod.

Just on Sunrise, the commentary offered in support of Woodside by Resources Minister Martin Ferguson was typically encouraging.

Ferguson noted the treaty arrangements with Timor were generous and were premised on the operator being free to pursue the "optimum commercial outcome" for development.

Woodside says the FLNG is a $US5bn better outcome than landing the gas in Timor. Nonetheless, Timor says it wants Sunrise gas processed on home soil and that it will not approve any other option.

Ferguson left little doubt that the Commonwealth would support Woodside's position.

Meanwhile, Prelude's numbers rolled off even Martin Ferguson's sometimes tied tongue. The project will add $45bn to Australia's GDP over its planned 25 year productive life, will sustain 1000 local jobs, contribute $12bn in tax revenue with another $12bn to be spent on local goods and services and will boost our balance of trade by $18bn. Ferguson was also bubbling about the training, education and research opportunities that would flow to Australians. Again, this excitement is based on the real rather than the hoped for.

Shell's local chair and local upstream boss, Ann Pickard, said Perth would be Shell's "global centre for FLNG learning and research" before announcing new education partnerships with Curtin University and Challenger Institute along with the funding for a new chair in marine environmental studies at WA University.

The most immediately important reason for government contentment over this decision, though, is that it comes in the middle of the debate over carbon tax and its potential impact. Shell has decided to invest in ignorance of what the government has planned, though Ferguson stressed the government maintained a robust and constant dialogue with the LNG industry and reiterated his belief that an acceptable outcome could be forged as it was in 2008 when the discussion was all about an emissions trading scheme.

Shell's Pickard said the financial modelling for Prelude included a price for carbon dioxide emissions that, over the longer term, was expected to hit $40 a tonne, and assumed that a trading scheme would be in place.

For all that, Pickard was diplomatic but plain about Australia's first-mover risk on carbon. "We don't want to see, in the short term, Australian projects disadvantaged.

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